Episode 12

Graph-Based RAG: Smarter, Explainable AI Reasoning (Chapter 14)

Unlock the power of Graph-Based Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG) with insights from Chapter 14 of Keith Bourne's 'Unlocking Data with Generative AI and RAG.' This episode explores how combining knowledge graphs with generative AI transforms accuracy, explainability, and multi-step reasoning—critical for leaders in regulated industries.

In this episode:

- Understand the core concept of Graph-Based RAG and why it’s a strategic game-changer now

- Compare traditional vector-based RAG with graph-driven approaches and their business implications

- Explore key tools like Protégé, Neo4j, LangChain, and OpenAI GPT-4o-mini powering this technology

- Learn how Python static dictionaries boost AI reasoning accuracy by up to 78%

- Discuss real-world applications in finance, healthcare, and enterprise knowledge management

- Review challenges like ontology governance, scalability, and ongoing innovation needs

Key tools and technologies mentioned:

- Protégé (ontology design)

- Neo4j (graph database)

- LangChain (AI workflow orchestration)

- OpenAI GPT-4o-mini (language model)

- Sentence-Transformers & FAISS (embedding and vector search)


Timestamps:

00:00 - Introduction to Graph-Based RAG and guest Keith Bourne

03:15 - Why Graph-Based RAG matters now for multi-hop reasoning and compliance

06:50 - The big picture: knowledge graphs, hybrid embeddings, and Python dictionaries

11:30 - Comparing approaches: traditional RAG vs. Microsoft GraphRAG vs. ontology-driven RAG

14:20 - Under the hood: tools, workflows, and code labs

17:00 - Practical payoffs, challenges, and real-world use cases

19:30 - Closing thoughts and next steps


Resources:

- "Unlocking Data with Generative AI and RAG" by Keith Bourne - Search for 'Keith Bourne' on Amazon and grab the 2nd edition

- Memriq AI: https://memriq.ai

Transcript

MEMRIQ INFERENCE DIGEST - LEADERSHIP EDITION Episode: Graph-Based RAG: Chapter 14 Deep Dive on Smarter, Explainable AI Reasoning

MORGAN:

Hello and welcome to Memriq Inference Digest - Leadership Edition, your go-to podcast for strategic insights on AI’s evolving landscape. I’m Morgan, here with Casey, and as always, we’re excited to bring you fresh perspectives from the frontiers of AI innovation. This show is brought to you by Memriq AI, a content studio building tools and resources for AI practitioners—do check them out at Memriq.ai.

CASEY:

Today, we’re diving into something really exciting and game-changing—Graph-Based Retrieval-Augmented Generation, or Graph-Based RAG for short. We’re drawing heavily from Chapter 14 of ‘Unlocking Data with Generative AI and RAG’ by Keith Bourne, who’s also joining us as our special guest. Keith’s here to share insider insights, behind-the-scenes thinking, and real-world examples you won’t find just anywhere.

MORGAN:

That’s right. We’ll explore how combining knowledge graphs with generative AI is transforming reasoning abilities in AI systems—think better accuracy, explainability, and smarter multi-step answers. If you want to go deeper with detailed diagrams, thorough explanations, and hands-on code labs, just search for Keith Bourne on Amazon and grab the second edition of his book. It’s a treasure trove for those who want to build on these concepts.

CASEY:

So, buckle up—we’ll cover everything from the core idea behind Graph-Based RAG, why it’s becoming essential now, how it stacks up against other approaches, and what the real business payoffs and risks are. Plus, we’ll get tactical with tools like Protégé, Neo4j, LangChain, and the OpenAI GPT-4o-mini model.

MORGAN:

And of course, Keith will jump in throughout, so you get the real scoop. Let’s get started!

JORDAN:

You know the classic challenge with AI—getting it to really understand complex questions that require jumping across multiple facts or steps? Well, the book reveals a shocker: representing knowledge using Python static dictionaries to embody knowledge graphs for AI can boost reasoning accuracy by up to 78% compared to feeding the AI the same info as plain text or JSON. That’s a massive leap.

MORGAN:

Wow, 78% better accuracy just by changing how the AI ‘sees’ the knowledge? That’s huge!

CASEY:

Wait, so you’re saying it’s not just the data, but how it’s structured and presented to the AI that makes such a difference?

JORDAN:

Exactly. Plus, this graph-based approach doesn’t just improve precision—it also delivers explainability and traceability. That means in regulated industries like finance or healthcare, where you need to prove how a decision was made, this method provides audit trails linking answers back to specific facts in the knowledge graph.

MORGAN:

That’s a game changer for trust and compliance. And the book points out that this method can also bring 10 to 100 times faster response times in the future using something called semantic caching.

CASEY:

Semantic caching—that’s where the system remembers or preloads semantically similar queries to speed things up, right?

JORDAN:

Spot on. So not only better accuracy and explainability, but also performance gains down the road. That’s the kind of breakthrough that can set products apart.

MORGAN:

Brilliant. Okay, let’s keep peeling this onion.

CASEY:

Here’s the nutshell version: Graph-Based RAG combines structured knowledge graphs—imagine a map of concepts and their relationships—with large language models like GPT to enable AI to reason precisely and explainably over complex questions.

MORGAN:

And the tools that make this happen include Protégé to build domain ontologies, Neo4j as the graph database, LangChain to orchestrate the AI workflows, and OpenAI’s GPT-4o-mini as the reasoning engine.

CASEY:

If you remember nothing else, know this: this approach transforms static domain knowledge into actionable, context-rich insights, helping businesses make smarter, risk-aware decisions with AI that can explain its answers.

MORGAN:

Perfect primer. Now, why is this suddenly such a hot topic?

JORDAN:

Before, most AI retrieval methods leaned heavily on vector similarity searches. Think of these as finding documents or facts based on how closely their meaning matches your query. But they often struggled with complex, domain-specific questions that require reasoning across multiple related facts—what we call multi-hop queries.

CASEY:

Right, like asking not just “Who regulates this equity?” but “Which equities regulated by this authority are issued by companies headquartered in Europe?” That needs several logical steps, not just keyword matching.

JORDAN:

Exactly. What’s changed recently is the maturation of graph databases like Neo4j and advances in embedding techniques—embedding meaning into vectors that AI can search efficiently. With these, it’s now practical to build graph-based RAG systems that are scalable and performant.

MORGAN:

And, of course, regulated sectors like finance and healthcare are pushing hard for AI systems that aren’t black boxes but instead offer explainability and traceability to meet compliance standards.

JORDAN:

Yes, the book points out that this demand is a big driver. Organizations want AI that can be audited and trusted, reducing the risk of errors or misinformation.

CASEY:

So, it’s not just a tech upgrade; it’s a strategic imperative to build trustworthy AI that can handle the complexities of real-world, high-risk domains.

MORGAN:

That makes a lot of sense. Keith, as the author, what made you focus on graph-based RAG right at this point in your book?

KEITH:

Thanks, Morgan. I saw a clear gap where traditional RAG methods just weren’t cutting it for complex, regulated environments. Graphs naturally model relationships and rules, so integrating them with LLMs was a logical next step. Covering this early helps leaders and builders think beyond simple text retrieval and understand how to harness structured knowledge for real-world impact.

TAYLOR:

Let’s break down the core idea. Knowledge graphs represent entities—like companies, products, regulations—as nodes, and the relationships between them—like “issued by,” “regulated by”—as edges connecting those nodes.

MORGAN:

So it’s like a web of facts, but one that AI can navigate?

TAYLOR:

Exactly. Now, Graph-Based RAG queries these graphs to pull precise, context-rich information. That info is then passed to a large language model, which uses it to generate accurate answers rather than guesswork.

CASEY:

How does this differ from regular RAG that uses just vector search?

TAYLOR:

Regular vector search looks for text or data chunks similar to the query, but it often misses the connections between facts. Graph-based RAG understands those connections explicitly, enabling multi-hop reasoning—essentially multi-step thinking.

MORGAN:

And the book talks about something called hybrid embeddings?

TAYLOR:

Right. Hybrid embeddings combine textual descriptions with graph structure, so the AI sees both the meaning of words and how entities relate. This dual view improves search relevance and recall.

CASEY:

And then representing retrieved knowledge as Python static dictionaries—what’s the story there?

TAYLOR:

It’s clever. Instead of feeding the AI raw text or JSON, the knowledge is formatted as static Python dictionaries—think of them as structured, easy-to-parse data tables. This lets the AI ‘execute’ reasoning steps deterministically, boosting accuracy significantly.

MORGAN:

Keith, as the author, what made this layered approach—graphs, hybrid embeddings, Python dictionaries—so crucial to cover in your book?

KEITH:

Well, Morgan, it’s about bridging knowledge representation with language generation in a way that’s intuitive for developers and effective for business. Each layer adds clarity and precision. The book goes deep on why these choices matter and how they fit together to build trustworthy AI systems.

TAYLOR:

Let’s compare approaches. Traditional RAG uses vector stores and keyword or semantic search, which is fast but often loses track of complex relationships and can’t handle multi-hop reasoning well.

CASEY:

That’s a big problem when you need precise, explainable answers in regulated industries.

TAYLOR:

Microsoft’s GraphRAG improves on this with a robust pipeline that includes both global and local graph search modes, enabling better multi-step reasoning. But it’s more complex and resource intensive.

CASEY:

So more power but higher cost and complexity?

TAYLOR:

Exactly. Then you have ontology-based knowledge graphs—static, schema-driven graphs that represent stable domain knowledge. They’re simpler to maintain and easier to audit, but less flexible than cyclical graphs, which model feedback loops and dynamic relationships but can get complicated fast.

MORGAN:

And in terms of knowledge representation?

TAYLOR:

The book shows Python static dictionaries outperform natural language and JSON formats for AI reasoning—67.9% accuracy versus 44.6% and 26.1%, respectively. That’s a huge difference.

CASEY:

So decision criteria become clear—use traditional RAG for fast, broad searches; consider GraphRAG when you need robust multi-hop reasoning with complex data; and use ontology-driven graph-based RAG when precision, explainability, and maintainability are top priorities.

MORGAN:

That’s a valuable framework for leaders weighing investments.

ALEX:

Let’s get into how this actually works, step by step, but still keep it accessible. You start by building a domain ontology in Protégé—a tool that helps define all the concepts, classes, and relationships relevant to your business.

CASEY:

So you’re basically creating a detailed blueprint of your knowledge domain?

ALEX:

Exactly. Then you export that ontology in a format called RDF or Turtle, which Neo4j, a graph database, can import as nodes and edges. This gives you a navigable, queryable knowledge graph.

MORGAN:

And once it’s in Neo4j?

ALEX:

You create schema constraints and set “anchor” nodes—think of these as entry points or hubs—to speed up graph traversal. Then you generate hybrid text descriptions that combine properties of entities and their multi-hop relationships.

CASEY:

So you’re enriching the graph data with textual context that the AI can embed?

ALEX:

Spot on. Using Sentence-Transformers, you turn those hybrid texts into vectors—mathematical representations of meaning. FAISS, another tool, allows fast similarity search over these embeddings.

MORGAN:

So when a user asks a question, the system embeds the query, searches the vector store to find the closest matching graph data, then expands those results inside Neo4j?

ALEX:

That’s the retrieval pipeline. The retrieved context is then formatted as Python static dictionaries—structured data that the language model can “execute” logically.

CASEY:

And that data goes to the OpenAI GPT-4o-mini model?

ALEX:

Yes. LangChain manages prompting the model with a template that guides it to generate concise, factual, and citation-aware answers—meaning every fact cited links back to the graph node it came from, ensuring traceability.

MORGAN:

Keith, your book has extensive code labs on this process. What’s the one key lesson you want readers to take away from those hands-on experiences?

KEITH:

Great question, Alex. The biggest takeaway is understanding that AI is only as good as how you feed it knowledge. Structuring data thoughtfully through ontologies, graphs, and the right embeddings empowers AI to reason reliably. The code labs help demystify this pipeline so readers gain confidence to implement it themselves.

ALEX:

Now, why does this matter practically? The book reports that using Python static dictionary representations lifts reasoning accuracy on complex multi-hop queries to nearly 68%, compared to 44.6% with natural language and just 26.1% with JSON.

MORGAN:

That’s a substantial win—almost doubling accuracy from JSON!

ALEX:

Indeed. Hybrid embeddings also improve recall, meaning the system finds more relevant facts even if they’re phrased differently. Importantly, the system supports traceability by linking answers back to original graph nodes, crucial for audits.

CASEY:

And what about speed and cost?

ALEX:

The book highlights future semantic caching approaches that could improve latency by 10 to 100 times, dramatically lowering response times and operational costs.

MORGAN:

So the payoff is not just smarter answers but faster and more cost-effective AI—huge for scaling products.

CASEY:

Let’s not gloss over challenges. Building and maintaining ontologies takes real domain expertise and continuous effort. It’s not a one-and-done job.

MORGAN:

So investment in people and process is critical here.

CASEY:

Absolutely. Plus, graph-based RAG systems can be complex to integrate—multiple tools, data pipelines, and technical glue are involved.

KEITH:

That’s true, Casey. In the book, I stress the importance of planning for these complexities upfront. The biggest mistake I see is rushing into graph-based RAG without solid ontology governance and data quality control. Garbage in, garbage out applies strongly here.

CASEY:

Good to hear the book is candid about limitations. And scalability?

KEITH:

Large graphs do pose performance challenges. Semantic caching and smart indexing help, but it’s an area ripe for innovation.

MORGAN:

So leaders need to weigh strategic benefits against complexity and maintenance costs carefully.

SAM:

Let’s look at real-world applications. In financial services, firms use graph-based RAG to answer regulatory compliance questions—like tracing which securities fall under specific rules, and understanding issuer relationships. This reduces risk and supports audits.

MORGAN:

Makes total sense—no room for errors there.

SAM:

In healthcare, explainable AI powered by knowledge graphs helps trace the provenance of medical guidelines, improving diagnostics reliability.

CASEY:

I imagine enterprise knowledge management benefits too?

SAM:

Absolutely. Many companies integrate siloed data into unified graphs, enabling richer insights and smarter decision support. Customer support bots also leverage this tech to provide precise, context-aware answers about product features and compatibilities.

MORGAN:

So any domain requiring multi-step reasoning over structured knowledge stands to gain.

SAM:

Here’s a scenario: a financial firm wants an AI assistant for complex queries about securities regulations.

CASEY:

Option one: traditional vector-based RAG—fast but limited in reasoning and explainability.

TAYLOR:

Option two is Microsoft’s GraphRAG, which offers robust global and local graph searches but demands more resources and complexity.

MORGAN:

And option three?

SAM:

Ontology-driven graph-based RAG using Protégé and Neo4j with hybrid embeddings and Python dictionary contexts. It balances precision, explainability, and easier maintenance.

CASEY:

So trade-offs depend on priorities—speed versus accuracy, compliance needs, and development bandwidth.

TAYLOR:

Exactly. This scenario underscores how business context drives architecture choices.

SAM:

For leaders, having this decision framework is invaluable.

SAM:

To get practical, start by designing your domain ontology in Protégé—focus on clear class hierarchies and relationships.

ALEX:

Then convert your ontology into CSV files compatible with Neo4j for import.

SAM:

Use Neo4j’s schema constraints and anchor nodes to speed query efficiency.

TAYLOR:

Generate hybrid text embeddings using Sentence-Transformers to capture both entity details and relationships.

SAM:

Run those embeddings through FAISS for fast semantic search, integrated with LangChain to orchestrate AI workflows.

MORGAN:

Don’t forget representing retrieved knowledge as Python static dictionaries to boost reasoning accuracy.

ALEX:

And build prompt templates that guide the language model to produce concise, factual, and citation-aware responses.

CASEY:

Avoid cutting corners on ontology design or data quality—those pay off big time downstream.

MORGAN:

Quick shoutout—the book ‘Unlocking Data with Generative AI and RAG’ by Keith Bourne goes far beyond what we’ve covered today. It’s packed with detailed diagrams, thorough explanations, and hands-on code labs that walk you through real implementations step by step. If you want to build expertise in this space, definitely check it out.

MORGAN:

And a reminder—Memriq AI is an AI consultancy and content studio building tools and resources for AI practitioners. This podcast is produced by Memriq AI to help engineers and leaders stay current with the rapidly evolving AI landscape.

CASEY:

Head over to Memriq.ai for more deep-dives, practical guides, and cutting-edge research breakdowns.

SAM:

As promising as graph-based RAG is, several challenges remain open. Scaling to very large, dynamic knowledge bases without sacrificing speed is tough.

MORGAN:

Automating ontology evolution so your knowledge graph stays current with business changes is another big hurdle.

TAYLOR:

Improving semantic search accuracy to reduce false positives or misses is critical, especially when decisions depend on precise facts.

SAM:

Integrating graph-based RAG with real-time data streams and APIs is a frontier still being explored.

CASEY:

And explainability continues to demand innovation—making AI decisions fully transparent to end users is no small feat.

KEITH:

These open problems are where the next wave of breakthroughs will come. For leaders, investing in these areas can secure competitive advantage and reduce operational risks.

MORGAN:

My takeaway—Graph-Based RAG is a strategic leap, combining structured knowledge with AI’s power to deliver smarter, explainable answers that move beyond guesswork.

CASEY:

I’d say don’t underestimate the complexity and costs involved. Success depends on thoughtful ontology governance and data discipline.

JORDAN:

For me, the biggest win is how this approach enables multi-hop reasoning, letting AI connect the dots across complex facts like never before.

TAYLOR:

I’m excited about the decision frameworks this episode outlines—helping leaders pick the right tool for their specific needs and constraints.

ALEX:

I’m impressed by the measurable accuracy gains and the potential for huge latency improvements. Those translate directly to better user experiences and cost savings.

SAM:

The practical workflows and tools give leaders a clear roadmap to build and scale graph-based AI solutions responsibly.

KEITH:

As the author, the one thing I hope you take away is that integrating structured knowledge with generative AI isn’t just a technical trick—it’s a fundamental shift in how we create trustworthy, high-value AI products. I encourage you to dig into the book and build something amazing with these ideas.

MORGAN:

Keith, thanks so much for giving us the inside scoop today. Your insights truly bring this topic to life.

KEITH:

My pleasure, Morgan. I hope this inspires listeners to explore the book further and create AI that really makes a difference.

CASEY:

And thanks everyone for tuning in. Remember, while we covered the essentials today, the book goes much deeper with detailed diagrams, thorough explanations, and hands-on labs.

MORGAN:

Just search for Keith Bourne on Amazon and grab the second edition of ‘Unlocking Data with Generative AI and RAG.’ Thanks for listening—see you next time on Memriq Inference Digest!

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Keith Bourne (LinkedIn handle – keithbourne) is a Staff LLM Data Scientist at Magnifi by TIFIN (magnifi.com), founder of Memriq AI, and host of The Memriq Inference Brief—a weekly podcast exploring RAG, AI agents, and memory systems for both technical leaders and practitioners. He has over a decade of experience building production machine learning and AI systems, working across diverse projects at companies ranging from startups to Fortune 50 enterprises. With an MBA from Babson College and a master's in applied data science from the University of Michigan, Keith has developed sophisticated generative AI platforms from the ground up using advanced RAG techniques, agentic architectures, and foundational model fine-tuning. He is the author of Unlocking Data with Generative AI and RAG (2nd edition, Packt Publishing)—many podcast episodes connect directly to chapters in the book.